episode 4

“Combating Polarization and Extremism with Meta-Ideological Politics” with Ryan Nakade (Part 2/2)

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Welcome to part two of Duncan’s conversation with the founder of the Meta-Ideological Politics podcast, Ryan Nakade. In this episode, Duncan and Ryan talk about ways to find higher ground in a deeply polarized world, so we can move forward and develop omni-win solutions to our problems. You’ll also learn about Ryan’s unique “titanium man” approach. Prepare to level up your debates and understanding of new perspectives!

You’ll also hear a fascinating discussion on how changes in democratic elections could take an omni-win approach. Ryan tells us how politicians could make a huge difference in their community, regardless of the vote outcome. It’s time to push politicians to be better.

Want to start with part one? Find it here.


  • Ryan describes his unique “titanium man” approach to mediation and debate.
  • Know when to take the “steel man” or “titanium man” approach in an argument.
  • Duncan talks about “you statements” vs. “I statements.”
  • Ryan demonstrates how to effectively approach Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) training to supplement participants’ ideas rather than supplant them.
  • Understand why labels can be crude identity categories and when it’s okay to use them.
  • Discover why politicians aim to polarize and incite outrage, and what they should be doing instead.
  • Learn why the political debate model is well past its prime.
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Ryan Nakade

About this episode’s guest

Ryan Nakade is the co-founder of the podcast Meta-Ideological Politics, catalyzing transformative civic engagement. He leads workshops teaching communication and dialogue skills, emphasizing political depolarization and conflict prevention. He also works with violent extremists, employing unique deradicalization techniques. Ryan teaches diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) workshops with a complexity theory perspective.

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Guest Resources


Check out Ryan’s Podcast: Meta-Ideological Politics on YouTube or Apple Podcasts

Omni-Win Resources

Essays & Videos


Here are some essays and videos from the Omni-Win Project about topics we discussed in the video.

Topics Discussed in the Episode


Accidental Courtesy is a documentary about Daryl Davis, a black musician with an “unusual, controversial hobby: trying to befriend members of KKK, many of whom never met a black person.” Watch on PBS

Developmental Politics

Pareto Principle

Also known as the 80/20 rule…

More generally, the Pareto Principle is the observation (not law) that most things in life are not distributed evenly. It can mean all of the following things:

  • 20% of the input creates 80% of the result
  • 20% of the workers produce 80% of the result
  • 20% of the customers create 80% of the revenue
  • 20% of the bugs cause 80% of the crashes
  • 20% of the features cause 80% of the usage
  • And on and on…

(Source: Better Explained)


Game Theory

Nicky Case is a brilliant animator. Her interactive video The Evolution of Trust is not only the best primer I know about Game Theory, but I also reveals the inherent logic of not having trust. 

Polarity Management 

About The Omni-Win Project

The Omni-Win Project is a multimedia effort to raise awareness of the myriad existing and emergent opportunities to improve our democracy and heal our political culture.

Our mission: facilitating the healing and evolution of our democratic systems and political culture, so that we can co-create a future that works for everyone.

Meet The Host

I am omnipartial: I am biased in favor of the success of everyone and the whole. I believe it is possible to improve systems of communication and interaction in ways that will allow humanity to thrive and evolve through our complexity and diversity.

My purpose in life is to support an omnipartial revolution. How? By helping the world understand the fractal nature of conflict and how we can transform conflict into a positive and inspiring experience. We are all in this together. I firmly believe we can do this complex dance through life with much more grace and beauty.

I am specifically committed to transforming how we work together in teams and organizations and how we experience conflict and collaboration in our democracy.

Fractal Friends

Duncan is also the host of the Fractal Friends podcast. An exploration of our self-similary across our diversity.

Fans of the Omni-Win project podcast will enjoy this collection of episodes: https://www.fractalfriends.us/transforming-politics about Transforming Politics and Healing Democracy

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