episode 3

“Why Ideology Is Not the Problem” with Ryan Nakade (Part 1/2)

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“You look for openings in their ideology to plant seeds of deradicalization.”

Our relationships are in jeopardy due to our divisive political culture. In part one of this two-part discussion, Duncan talks with Ryan Nakade about ideology and how it impacts our connection to each other. You’ll learn about extremism, cultural humility, and how modern society has demonized ideology.

Extreme views and toxic polarization in society and politics make connecting with those with differing opinions harder than ever before. But developing an advanced understanding of other people’s perspectives and ideologies can build mutual respect. Are you ready to discover what ideology really is?

Part 2 here


  • Ryan explains what ideology truly is and describes meta-ideology.
  • Learn about the worrying challenges we face within our political culture.
  • Understand the importance of personal ideological awareness.
  • Discover illuminating questions you can ask someone about their ideology.
  • Ryan talks about how he connects with people who hold extremist beliefs.
  • Recognize the benefits of understanding someone’s point of view for cultivating relationships.
  • Learn how core values and boundary judgments shape our perceptions.
  • Ryan talks about deradicalizing extremists; his method can level up your relationships.
  • Discover argument strategies like “straw man” and “steel man” and how to debate effectively.
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Ryan Nakade

About this episode’s guest

Ryan Nakade is the co-founder of the podcast Meta-Ideological Politics, catalyzing transformative civic engagement. He leads workshops teaching communication and dialogue skills, emphasizing political depolarization and conflict prevention. He also works with violent extremists, employing unique deradicalization techniques. Ryan teaches diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) workshops with a complexity theory perspective.

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Guest Resources


Check out Ryan’s Podcast: Meta-Ideological Politics on YouTube or Apple Podcasts

Omni-Win Resources

Essays & Videos


Here are some essays and videos from the Omni-Win Project about topics we discussed in the video.

Topics Discussed in the Episode

Accidental Courtesy – Daryl Davis documentary

Accidental Courtesy is a documentary about Daryl Davis, a black musician with an “unusual, controversial hobby: trying to befriend members of KKK, many of whom never met a black person.” Watch on PBS

Developmental Politics

Pareto Principle

Also known as the 80/20 rule…

More generally, the Pareto Principle is the observation (not law) that most things in life are not distributed evenly. It can mean all of the following things:

  • 20% of the input creates 80% of the result
  • 20% of the workers produce 80% of the result
  • 20% of the customers create 80% of the revenue
  • 20% of the bugs cause 80% of the crashes
  • 20% of the features cause 80% of the usage
  • And on and on…

(Source: Better Explained)


Game Theory

Nicky Case is a brilliant animator. Her interactive video The Evolution of Trust is not only the best primer I know about Game Theory, but I also reveals the inherent logic of not having trust. 

Polarity Management 

About The Omni-Win Project

The Omni-Win Project is a multimedia effort to raise awareness of the myriad existing and emergent opportunities to improve our democracy and heal our political culture.

Our mission: facilitating the healing and evolution of our democratic systems and political culture, so that we can co-create a future that works for everyone.

Meet The Host

I am omnipartial: I am biased in favor of the success of everyone and the whole. I believe it is possible to improve systems of communication and interaction in ways that will allow humanity to thrive and evolve through our complexity and diversity.

My purpose in life is to support an omnipartial revolution. How? By helping the world understand the fractal nature of conflict and how we can transform conflict into a positive and inspiring experience. We are all in this together. I firmly believe we can do this complex dance through life with much more grace and beauty.

I am specifically committed to transforming how we work together in teams and organizations and how we experience conflict and collaboration in our democracy.

Fractal Friends

Duncan is also the host of the Fractal Friends podcast. An exploration of our self-similary across our diversity.

Fans of the Omni-Win project podcast will enjoy this collection of episodes: https://www.fractalfriends.us/transforming-politics about Transforming Politics and Healing Democracy

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